Rumunija će uskoro postati 14. korisnik američkog raketnog sistema protivvazduhoplovne odbrane ‘’Patriot’’.
U sredu 29. novembra proizvođač ovog sistema, kompanija Raytheon saopštila je da je sa ovom državom potpisano Pismo o ponudi i prihvatanju, što otvara put pregovorima oko konačnog ugovora između vlade SAD i samog Raytheona kao i brzom postizanju početne operativne sposobnosti sistema u Rumuniji.
Dva dana pre toga rumunski ministar odbrane Mihaj Fifor je za agenciju ‘’Ađšerpres’’ izjavio da će prvi sistemi stići u prvoj polovini 2019. i da će Patriot biti potpuno operativan 2020. godine. Ministar je podsetio da je prošle nedelje parlament odobrio kupovinu prvog sistema raketne odbrane i da će Rumunija ove godine za odbranu izdvojiti dva odsto BDP-a od čega će 48 procenata biti potrošeno na opremu.
Ovime je. kako je rekao Fifor, Rumunija dokazala da poštuje svoje obaveze kao država članica NATO i strateški partner SAD. On je precizirao da je reč o sedam sistema koje će dobiti vazduhoplovne i kopnene snage i da se ove godine kupuje prvi sistem.
Naš istočni sused je relativno brzo prešao put od saopštavanja namere da kupi Patriot do situacije kada je postao njegov siguran budući korisnik. Rumunski zvaničnici objavili su u aprilu ove godine da žele da nabave ovaj sistem, da bi odobrenje američkog State Departmenta stiglo već u julu.
Na spisku američke agencije Defense Security Cooperation Agency tada se našlo 7 vatrenih jedinica u varijanti PAC-3+ (Patriot Configuration-3+). U paketu se nalazi 7 radara AN/MPQ-65, 7 komandnih stanica AN/MSQ-132, 13 grupa antenskih jarbola, 28 lansera M903, 56 raketa MIM-104E GEM-T, 168 raketa PAC-3 MSE, 7 elektrogeneratora EPP III. Ukupan posao bi na kraju mogao vredeti oko 3,9 milijardi dolara.
Rumunski ministar je, kao što smo mogli da pročitamo, izjavio da se radi o 7 sistema što ustvari predstavlja 7 baterija. Očigledno je da je Rumunija za sada kupila samo jednu bateriju pošto je prethodno rečeno da se ove godine kupuje prvi sistem.
U izjavi koja je objavljena na dan potpisivanja sporazuma sa Rumunijom, potpredsednik Raytheona Tom Laliberty rekao je da će ovaj posao stvoriti nova radna mesta u SAD i Rumuniji i da će Raytheon razviti dugoročan odnos sa određenim rumunskim kompanijama koje će pomoći u izgradnji i održavanju PVO sistema Patriot.
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Tedy
The 13’th in fact..
https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/romania_patriot.html
Tedy
Te 14’th, you’re right. My mistake.
Nikola
Poljska je potpisala ugovor vredan $10.5 milijardi za Patriot PAC-3. Ovo je najveca pojedinacna nabavka ovog sistema dosad, a po svemu sudeci u okviru ugovora je nabavljeno i vise hiljada raketa
Tedy
The price is without VAT. Tha actual price is 4.64 bil usd.
Živojin Banković
Још није потписан уговор. Пољска тражи последњу верзију која се још увек испитује па ће то бити знатно скупље.
Tedy
For the romanian Patriot package, the total price is 4.64 bil usd.
3.9 bil plus VAT.
Bobo
Ako su rumuni za skoro 4 milijardi dolara dobili 7baterija i ukupno 223 raketa PAC3 i druge. Onda ne vidim kako poljaci mogu vise hiljada raketa da dobiju i PAC3 je više antibalisticka raketa ako se sećam dobro, može avione da obori ali PAC2 je jeftiniji za to.
Živojin Banković
Nema jos ugovora za Poljake koji su se vec zalili na previsoku cenu.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/12/06/poland-surprised-by-high-price-tag-for-its-long-awaited-patriot-purchase/
Bofors
Preskupo, a manje kvalitetno od ostalih uz to i neefikasno opet puno posla oko te zapadne(americke) tehnologije, sve mora da bude uredno kao da su kristalne case pa svaka mrlja ili travcica smeta ne znam koliko to odgovara ratnim uslovima.Cini mi se da im je bitnije da to sve izgleda ozbiljno nego da funkcionise u haoticnin uslovima, al da zanemarimo sve to ipak je ovo ozbiljan posao drago mi je bog nasih komsi, mozda bi trebalo da se ugledamo na njihov odnos prema rv i pvo bar kad je u pitanju obnova, jos da docekamo i taj s300 ili buk hahaha
Nikola
Švedska je odbila ponudu francuskog PVO sistema koji je 30% jeftiniji, moderniji i boljih performasi i većeg dometa od Patriota. Posle ovoga niko ne može poreći da je izbor vojne opreme uslovljen politički. Patriot ima istu cenu kao S-400 a nudi znatno manje. Sumnjam da u svetu ima boljih raketnih sistema od izraelskih.
Sheikh Zayeb
Otkud znaš da Aster ima bolje performanse? Aster30 ima manji domet od Patriota, nije testiran u borbi, a ima minimalni domet je 3 km zbog potrebe da se odbaci buster.
Nikola
Patriot je inače testiran sa efikasnošću od celih 30%. Saudijci ispaljuju po 3 rakete da bi oborili jedan Skad. U Zalivskom ratu je efikasnost bila još niža. S druge strane Aster je na testovima uspevao iz prve oboriti izraelsku repliku Shahaba dometa 1.500-2.000km. Takođe je testiran i protiv protiv-brodskih i krstarećih raketa. Aster takođe poseduje mnogo napredniji radar, mobilniji je, jednostavniji za eksploataciju i za trećinu jeftiniji.
Sheikh Zayeb
Pa sad, Aster 30 jeste sjajan sistem, ali… Zamisli kako bi bilo da buster padne na neko predgrađe Stokholma ili Bukurešta? On mora da se odbaci. Drugo, Aster u verziji SAMP/T još nije do kraja razvijen. I za Aster je predviđen „volej“ od 3 rakete ASter 15 i 30.
Bofors
zajebu ja mislim da se ne puca preko gradova pogotovo ne rakete dugog dometa svaka raketa ima svoju namenu bar ja to tako kontam
David
Sve je to lepo ali jedan detalj se zaboravlja namerno.
Stvaraju vestacke neprijatelje i na osnovu toga jacaju svoje Pvo . Konkretno Poljska.
A u poslednjih par godina i Rumunija.
Na papiru je to lepo ali ne daj Boze sukoba velikog intenziteta ,kakav bi bio na svetskom nivou. Sve ovo mogu da stave u dzep.
Zato bolje da se svet razoruzava. Uz saradnju Rus I Usa. I da se terorizam u korenu saseče gde god da se nalazi.
Ali…opet ali.. Ne bi bilo prodaje naoruzanja da nema straha od nekoga i da nema tenzije.
U pamet se ljudi napokon. Rat i sama pomisao na rat je uzas i jad. Okrenimo se jedni drugima . Saradnja(suradnja) i pomirenje. To je jedini put napred za narode na Balkanu.
Ako moze Japan i Usa ,a znamo sta su im uradili.
Ako moze Nemacka i Francuska. I hiljade (tisuće )prim(j)era…mozemo i mi !
Lepo je imati dobar Pvo i odlicne borbene avione. I podrska tome uvek.
Sloboda i mir su najveca bogatstva.
Bofors
Mora nesto da pokrece nas ljude nema napretka tehnologije i para bez oruzja i ratova drugacije bi pocrkali od nikcega, na kraju sve to ima svoje zasto davide, evo i mi se ovde prepucavamo oko orudja
porucnik Data
Davide, bravo, ali? ne misle svi na ovom svetu isto i niko nece da vas brani, sa druge strane, razvoj vojnih tehnolo-gija je nosilac ukupnog naucno-tehnoloskog progresa, neka savremena oruzija, kao sinski topovi, em stitovi, ili laserska oruzija kao da se razvijaju ne za sukob sa ISIS-om, ili Severnom Korejom, nego za rat sa Kligloncima, ako razumete sta zelim da kazem, tek ce se pojaviti SF oruzija, npr naslednik F-22 vise lici na svemirski lovac
Propeler Zviz
Care poranio si sa lepim željama kao neki sa kićenjem Beograda… ima još fore do praznika.
Ostaju nam lepe želje i nadanja, pošto ni sam nisam prestao da verujem u Deda Mraza.
Svet funkcioniše uglavnom na mišiće, odnosno na sili – zakonu jačeg. Fali Moralnosti, Pravde, Slobode…
Čuo sam za trku u naoružavanju.
Kada čuješ za trku u kontra smeru počni sa slavljem!
Буран
Румунија набавља патриот јер на својој територији има Aegis ashore system који би требало бранити. Ови ПВО системи нису ту због Румуна него због ПРО штита. Иста ситуација је и у Пољској која ће да да још више пара за ово пошто је наручила најновији КИС и СУВ као и усавршене ракете. А ш’а мислите зашто? Зато што и тамо има ПРО…
Т5
Браво, све je то сделано да иде jедно уз друго,гаранциja нема алтернативе… остало су само приче… зато jе неопходан С300В ако почне киша добар jе само исправан кишобран
Tedy
@Буран
Defending the shield is in the american forces competence. They chose the means and the ways for doing so. Deveselu is operational since 2015, as you all know, and the Patriot will be in full use from 2020. Do you believe that the shield stood without protection for all that time? You do not need 7 Patriot systems/batteries and 8 Hawk batteries to protect the shield, because everywhere when there is Patriot and Hawk together, the Patriot slaves the Hawk and work as one. See Holland, by example.
Tedy
Today is the military parade in Bucharest. You could see the F-16, CF-18, Piranha V, polish forces with Rosomak, and more.
Tedy
https://www.facebook.com/StirileProTV/videos/10155296893912266/
Jder
Loved the Romanian army parade for this year, very nice to see piranha 5 and the new iveco trucks ( from what i know Rheinmetall plans to make HX 8X8 in Romania and also the RS556 assault rifle for the new Romanian standard rifle).Can’t wait to see in 2018 the patriot sistems at the parade, and maybe some HIMARS MLRS. Romanian army is modernizing very fast and thats a very good thing.
Буран
Mr. Tedy
I know that the shield is operational for quiet time but this is additional protection. US military has no intention to gamble with the security of its missile installations in Europe.
On the other hand US wants to close the gap on the eastern flank since Romanian SAM systems are obsolete. Bulgaria and Slovakia have S-300 and Poland is buying Patriot too. In short term future Slovakia and Bulgaria will be forced to replace the S-10 grumble as well. Slovaks announced that they’ll do it when they obtain cash.
Best regards
Tedy
@Buran
Dear sir, there is an opinion of “eastern“ inspiration who claims that US is protecting their own installations using the romanian, polish, and other nations money. This is not true and I tried to argue that. On contrary, US, Canada, Uk, and other NATO nations have sent forces to upgrade romanian, polish and baltics security. This is normal, according to NATO purpose. Romania and Poland, but not only them, are starting to be able to upgrade their own forces, as a consequence of developments in their economies. Romanian economy, for exemple, has grown with 6% this year. This growth is a result of NATO and UE integration, also. So, the necesity of increasing the quality of armed forces is an objective one. In NATO, the security is a commune business, so this upgrade will benefit to other nations too, but claiming that US is the only who benefits from this, is purely propaganda.
Nice talking to you and thank you for speaking in a language I could understand. It is a nice and salutary effort.
Буран
Mr. Tedy
this is not only my opinion. After I’ve made it public other people supported my way of thinking. NATO is an organisation that is made for earning money trough arms dealing. US is protecting its own national interest in Europe by mobilizing other states and dragging them into this alliance. It is true that Romania has achieved an economical and financial success but should they spend that money on Patriot missile system rather than investing it in infrastructure such as roads, high speed railway or airports? Maybe they could build a factory? Romania has a poor road infrastructure compared to EU member states and they are putting their money in American pockets.
What’s the potential threat? Russian air force, navy and strategic forces. And why are they aiming Romania? Because US have installed their missile shield on Romanian soil. The missile shield is a threat to Russia and their forces. George W. Bush told people that they are protecting themselves from Iran and that was not true. Since Romania accepted this anti missile system on their soil now they will have to spend more money.
Best regards
Beduin
Bojane, kad bi svi mislili isto, onda netko sigurno ne razmislja.
Tedy
@Buran
Dear sir,
Of course you are free to believe what you please and I’ll not try to change your opinion. I have said what I think about that matter.
One thing I do not understand. Did you ask the opinion of a lot of people about your believes and after they agreed, you decided to post an answer to my reply?
Tedy
Were they russians sir? Those people, I mean.
Warmest regards.
Tedy
Why is Sweden buying Patriot, sir?
It is just a rethoric question.
Tedy
Rethorical. Typing error.
Буран
Mr Tedy
people supported what I’ve said on several occasions. It is my belief that I am right and that was the belief of those who listened what I’ve said. Those people were not Russians.
Sweden is buying Patriot because they are being dragged into NATO. Finland is also turning towards western alliance. If I may notice Sweden is no longer neutral since its taking part in NATO military drills on the Baltic. Swedish air force fighters intercept Russian planes, Swedish politicians said that they are afraid of potential Russian aggression which is more hypothetical than real in this or some future moments.
The whole Europe is sliding towards NATO and the western countries are pushing the sale of their weapons and equipment. In that order they need to make up an enemy that will justify the procurement of expensive systems such as PATRIOT.
Best regards
Beduin
I osporili.
Tedy
@Buran
Dear sir, I have understand your point of view. The free world is, in fact, Russia and it’s allies..
This is, really, an interesting and innovative way of seeing things.
Буран
Mr Tedy
there is more freedom in Russia than in some other countries that are considered as the leading states of the so called free world but that’s not the subject of this discussion.
Best regards
Tedy
@ Буран
Yes sir, you’re right. It is the freedom to choose between Putin and.. Putin.
No system is perfect, but I did not hear about a lot of people to be willing to emigrate in the former USSR.
Best regards to you too, sir.
Beduin
Buran, da se razumjemo i ne lazemo.
U postkomunistickim zemljama, jedini izbor kojeg imas, jest birati manje zlo.
Sto i nije nekakav izbor.
Dead1
Nema nista za sada sto se tice kako Ruminija je trebala ove godine naruciti jos 12-24 F-16A/B.
Tedy
@Dead1
Romania will order another 36 F-16, but not this year. It is a multiyear program for upgrading the forces. This year will be the first Patriot and the first 5 Piranha V, out of 227, the new IFV which will be made at UMB Bucharest, then the HIMARS, the law project was published.
The Agilis, with Rheinmetall, at UM Moreni. Will follow, in 2018, the 4 corvettes, more Spikes ATGW, 2017-2019. The new helicopters from Airbus and Bell.
Tedy
The first Patriot system has been paid.
mateus
Patriot protiv Iskander m nema nikakve sanse kao i ceo PRO sistem. Ti sistemi su okrenuti iskljucivo protiv Rusije. Drugi razlog za njegovo postavljanje apsolutno ne postoji. Njihovi politicari se igraju sudbinom tog naroda. Jako su smesni da Patriot moze da ih zastiti. Uzalud bacaju toliki novac, ali na to su verovatno prinudjeni od strane svojih „zastitnika“. Pr nekolik dana testirana je modernizovana raketa za Iskander M. Test je bio potpuno uspesan.
Tedy
@mateus
It’s funny to say that a „defensive“ system is „against someone“ ..
Your future S-300, „against“ whom it is intend to be? This question, which is a stupid one, of course, seems to be a legitimate one, following your logic. A defensive system is intend to protect, it is not against „someone“, but against a possible threat. If you say the Iskander is meant to be against us, maybe you know better, which I doubt.
Of course, you know, Romania is a NATO member and, according with the 5’th article of the treaty, an attack against us is an attack against all members.
But, of course, I’m sure Russia is not an aggressor and your statement is wrong.
Tedy
http://weirdrussia.com/2017/11/28/orthodox-priest-is-blamed-for-the-unsuccessful-launch-of-soyuz-2-1b-carrier-rocket/
This one was less successful..
RX
@Tedy
Just one warning you are entering in discussion with person who believes that single SU-24 not just jammed USS Daonald Cook, but also „blinded“ and broke missile destroyer’s electronics… This is just one of his brilliant statements.
He has one memorable sentence: „MiG-35 will fly against all laws of physics“ – basically stupidity™ is his trademark.
So I would advise you just to abort mission before PONR.
Tedy
@RX
Thank you. I’ve noted. Done!
Tedy
@RX
Maybe it, (the 35), flies against all laws of psychic.. :)
RX
You are welcome.
I encourage you to keep posting here on this portal, your comments are more then welcome.
I would especially like to see more photos.
Tedy
@RX
Thanks man! I will, I just love this portal.
Ok. If I’ll find some good ones, I’ll post a link sometimes.
I like your comments and I follow them with great interest. You’re a real smart guy..
strelac
Ma da.
bugy
More than half of the Serbian people are poisened with lies about American weapons in global…they just know that „Rusian weapons is the best“….without „real facts and numbers“… Truth is“strong economy-strong army (airforce,navy)…
veki
@bugy
Reci to onom F-117 kojeg je srušio raketni sistem iz 70-tih.
A da je vojska tada raspolagala novijim verzijama BUK-a ili nečeg sličnog, vidio bi kako bi se istopila američka superiornost i šta su
„real facts and numbers“
Beduin
Veki, ne zanosi se.
Odluka o nacinu djelovanja se donosi na realnim procjenama.
Iznimke nikako ne potvrdjuju pravilo.
A pravilo kaze, pri svakon ofenivnom djelovanju obavezno ukalkuliraj 30 % gubitaka.
Zato i napadas kad je omjer bar 1:3 u tvoju korist.
Svatko tko kaze drukcije je uber budala.
veki
@Beduin
Molim te da još jednom pročitaš komentar na koji se odnosi moj odgovor, radi se o kvalitetu oružja a ne o načinu djelovanja. Normalno da pobjeđuje ona vojska koja duže može trpiti gubitke, ali je isto tako nesporno da je u svijetu prisutan mit ne o ruskom, nego o američkom oružju. Isto tako da je PVO bila u mogućnosti da obori 30 – 40 % a ne 3 – 4 % mislim da bi se mnoge evropske države koje su učestvovale u bombardvanju gadno češale zbog gubitaka.
Beduin
Osobno se nikad nisam povodio mitovima i legendama.
Povodim se operativnim limitima.
Necem dalje.